01.22.10 – why a vision statement is important

out and about with the 5dm2 // jamestown NY // jan 2010

In a previous post I asked other youth pastors if they could sum up what they were trying to do in 5 sentences or less. We had an awesome ongoing conversation with 26 comments. It challenged me to think about a lot, and it made me realize how blessed I am to be in such an awesome network of people.

While I’m not impressed with grand vision statements if there is no real evidence of those things getting done, I think that having a tangible vision statement helps put parameters and borders on what we do. We can examine everything we do with, “does this help us achieve the things we’ve set out to achieve?” A vision statement helps keep us focused and on track. In a world where there are pushes, pulls and well meaning suggestions in every direction, we could use some parameters.

I’m still working on my 5 sentences. They need to be given more thought because I want you to hold me accountable to them. I encourage you if you have a vision statement for your ministry or for your life share it with us and ask yourself if the things you’re doing are in line with that.

JIM baker

LisaJanuary 22, 2010 - 1:34 pm

Jim, i love how you constantly challenge, yet want to be challenged yourself. I’m excited to read your vision statement when you finish it and should consider one for myself more seriously.

jim bakerJanuary 22, 2010 - 4:39 pm

thanks lisa, yeah personal “life statements” are pretty cool, i’ve never done one but I’m really impressed with people that do haha… i’m thinking that to do all of this I’m going to need a full day retreat.

LisaJanuary 22, 2010 - 6:35 pm

mmmmm. a full day retreat sounds like an incredible idea! maybe i’ll do one when i go to VA.

jim bakerJanuary 23, 2010 - 10:02 am

awesome!

01.21.10 – layout changes and twitter

Jason approves:)// dec 2009 // 20d

So as you’re looking around you probably notice some things… the header image changed… its still an image from our engagement shoot by Pranee Loffer though.

I added a twitter feed below so you can see what’s going on most recently.

If you tweet add me @jimjessbaker

I’m only displaying the main post, you can click on old posts at the bottom of the page. Below that you can see posts categorized by labels. (didn’t like the way it looked so i removed it)

I’ve been thinking about making the dive into twitter for a while now and made the jump last nite. My friend Phil Cunningham tweeted a video of him in Cambodia shot on his iphone, which showed up as his facebook status with a link.

The whole point of me buying this phone was to keep in better touch with people so be looking for more pic and video correspondence soon.

Let me know what you think of the changes in the comment section.

I’m using echofon as my iphone twitter app as reccomended by Phil.

JIM baker

01.20.10 – one week till we leave for KENYA!

The Africa Team! Photo Courtesy of Josiah Blick.

Jess, Jim, Anne, Heather, Dave, Arielle, Brian and Devonne.

Next week at this time we will all be on a plane headed for half way across the world to Migori Kenya.

So here’s a little bit more detailed post about what we’ll be doing while we are over there.

photo courtesy of Rick Rohlin

John Okinda runs an orphanage, a training school for Christians, a high school, and a teachers college. One of our main objectives in going over is to get a headshot portrait of each of the 200 orphans so that we can find sponsors for them.

Along with meeting with the District Commissioner of Migori, Mr. Julius Mutul, we will have opportunities to teach, preach, love on and most of all learn from the people of Migori, Kenya.

Our team is made up of 3 different parent/teen pairs. As the youth pastors of the congregation sending us, we are truly honored to be a part of such an experience that will deepen these family relationships for a lifetime.

Here’s John’s website. And here is a satellite view of where we will be staying.

Thank you to everyone for your prayers and financial support!

JIM baker

LisaJanuary 20, 2010 - 2:42 pm

Definitely excited to hear about waht God does and see pictures (yay) of your trip. Expecting good things! God is incredible!

jim bakerJanuary 20, 2010 - 2:43 pm

thanks lisa!

Rick RohlinJanuary 21, 2010 - 5:05 am

Hey, I took that picture of those cute kids. :-)

jim bakerJanuary 21, 2010 - 7:04 am

you did and not Anne? alright… i’ll change the photo credit sorry, Anne gave it to me and I just assumed that Anne took it… I see how this is working… and Anne is already asking for my photos from the trip on cd… is she going to try to steal my work too? ๐Ÿ˜‰

01.19.10 – WOAH! Daniel Chung’s art


I was just looking at Daniel’s facebook profile tonite and ran across his album of artwork from his first year in college. I am BLOWN AWAY.

I met Daniel in the summer of 2007 in Comitan Mexico. He came down with his youth group to serve where my team was already.

I asked his permission to download the pictures and clean them up a bit (adjusted the white balance, and did a crappy job of cloning out the distracting lamp in the top pic) to show you all.

Its been a while since I’ve seen something that has impressed me so much.

When asked about his artwork Daniel said..

“We were to make art out of 1 object and I just went crazy with it, I just started art so I didn’t have the drawing/painting craft practiced like them so i just did what I was used to building stuff..”

The two pieces above were made with plain white drawing paper.

If you’re interested in buying these pieces… you can’t.

“I’m glad you like it, sold it all though, took up too much space”

To see the full album of Daniel’s artwork click here.

JIM baker

Hannah BJanuary 19, 2010 - 3:44 pm

I’m glad you did a post on Daniel’s artwork! He’s so modest about it. I know that whatever he’s doing in life, he needs to be doing his art!

jim bakerJanuary 19, 2010 - 3:56 pm

yeah dude… i’m SUPER impressed

Daniel TheJanuary 19, 2010 - 4:16 pm

._. thanks so much ๐Ÿ˜€

jim bakerJanuary 19, 2010 - 4:37 pm

dude… thank YOU… keep making more art man, you’ve got some God given talent.

davidyJanuary 19, 2010 - 5:40 pm

yeah daniel!

jim bakerJanuary 19, 2010 - 5:42 pm

haha :) indeed

davidyJanuary 19, 2010 - 5:43 pm

GOD really has given this guy a gift.

jim bakerJanuary 19, 2010 - 5:44 pm

absolutely, I love that he said “i just did what I knew” he didn’t try to conform to what others were doing he just let who he was shine through… so good

01.18.10 – digital noise ISO


As I mentioned in this post, I bought the canon 5dm2 because of its full frame sensor which allows it to handle noise much better at high ISO’s. Meaning better quality pictures in low light. Below are some completely unedited examples of how my different cameras handle ISO 3200.

Chris and Sharon’s wedding // October 2008 NYC

taken with the Canon G11 @ iso 3200
(notice ALL the noise)

Shot for a photostory (click the link to watch it) I did for Phil Cunningham // Kona Hawaii 2008

taken with the canon 20d @ iso 3200

(some noise, more noticeable in the upper left hand corner in the shadows, not as bad as I thought it was in my head though, I always made out the 20d to be a noise monster)

Dan Mohler preaching at Praise Fellowship this weekend

5dm2 pretty much no visible noise.

So there ya have it folks… can you tell a difference?

Just got confirmation on my lens rental of the 100-400 for Africa. 9 days until we leave.

I’ll write a bit more updated blog about Africa since I know a little more than when I wrote about the trip in October.

JIM baker

LisaJanuary 18, 2010 - 11:35 am

wow. that’s so cool. i’ve started to enjoy photography, but honestly don’t know much about it. but i like the visual explaining the difference and noise. :-) thanks.

jim bakerJanuary 18, 2010 - 12:53 pm

glad it helped! photography is awesome… you got a new camera for xmas yeah?

DavidJanuary 18, 2010 - 3:31 pm

Wow Jim! Your photography always inspires me with those sharp and clear details. Makes photography look that much more appealing ๐Ÿ˜‰

jim bakerJanuary 18, 2010 - 4:25 pm

thanks david!

LisaJanuary 19, 2010 - 7:03 am

i did get a new camera for Christmas. 12 megapixels, 3x optical zoom. Def not astounding for a camera, but def way better than the 3 megapixel one i’ve been using on my phone with basically no zoom. I’m having fun with it. haha.

jim bakerJanuary 19, 2010 - 7:03 am

what brand and model?

01.17.10 – Dan Mohler

dan preaching friday night // iso 3200 5dm2:)

So I’m not going to lie, there was a lot of hype to the leading up to Dan Mohler coming and speaking to our church… I was getting a little sick of hearing his name. (I’m just being real.) But the hype was underplayed, Dan Mohler was amazing, some of the best teaching I’ve sat under.

Friday night, Dan brought a strong message about our identity because of the finished work of Christ. This quote blew me away.
“The cross of Christ speaks more of our value than of our sin.”

Saturday morning he just shared testimonies and gave practical ways to see God move in power in our every day lives. When asked about overcoming the fear of man when we’re ‘doing evangelism’ he responded with this
“the love for man takes away the fear of man.”

The pastoral staff went out to lunch with him saturday afternoon for lunch and we had the privilege to hear testimonies of some of people that Dan walks with. Crazy stuff, crazy in a good way. Crazy, like Jesus was serious when he said

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.” – John 14:12

Saturday evening, and both services this morning were packed with more great teaching and ministry. I plan on getting the whole weekends teaching on cd to hear it again.

If you haven’t heard Dan Mohler speak, you should check him out.

God’s GOOD.

JIM baker

LisaJanuary 17, 2010 - 3:31 pm

i plan on getting the whole weekend too. It was very good teaching! I only heard like 5 minutes Sat morning, but the one thing he said during that time was that “hate is cutting off a life.” That’s an incredible quote. That’s is why we are called to love. Because God cares about LIVES. Jesus is so good and this weekend was incredible!

jim bakerJanuary 17, 2010 - 6:56 pm

:) hate is murder because it negates value… or something like that yeah i wrote that one down too

Tiffany HJanuary 17, 2010 - 8:27 pm

Is there a pod cast I can get?

jim bakerJanuary 18, 2010 - 3:35 am

tiff – i don’t think they are going to put the teaching online… but there are cds… you can also check out some of his teaching on his website

E1500November 20, 2012 - 7:47 pm

Dan Mohler is an amazing servant of God. He inspires me to be more like Jesus because of his love for me… Seeing him minister and seeing and hearing abt his fruit, encourages me to know is possible to do the works of Jesus. Thank you god this post.

jimjessbakerNovember 20, 2012 - 8:38 pm

thank you for your comment!

01.15.10 – cf cards

taken today with the g11

In this post I complained a bit about having to throw down a pretty penny on bigger and faster cf cards for my new camera. I tested my san disk extreme pro 16 gig card this morning and am amazed at the speed.

I remember vividly the first time card speed became a bother. It was when I was shooting Nate and Ashley’s engagement photos. I had just gotten back from traveling and was so tired. I was quickly shooting frame after frame, because the sun light was disappearing fast. I was using san disk extreme II 4 gig cards and the camera would seemingly lock up and not let me take more pictures because it was slowly writing to the card. My new camera came with an extreme III 8gig card and gives me the same lag as the 20d did with the extreme II cards.

photo by me // canon 20d // aug 2008


The extreme pro cards are a different story. Sitting in my living room this morning I popped off 16 raw files in continuos mode before it even paused to write, and then when I kept the shutter held down, the lag was less than one second between taking the pictures. The extreme pro cards are definitely pricey but well worth it in my book. I can keep shooting at the speed I want to shoot at and I don’t have to wait for the card to catch up.

JIM baker

p.s no I’m not avoiding my own 5 sentences, I’m still thinking, thanks for all the responses, if you haven’t checked out the conversation you should do so here.

01.13.10 – what are we working towards?

photo by me // feb 2008 // kailua kona hawaii

This post stems out of my own frustration, of trying to figure out what the real goal is of our youth ministry. What is it that I want the students in our ministry to walk away with? What do we want their lives to really look like? I think this question has to be asked before we start trying to do anything. Identifying the goal to see what we’re working for.

For those of you involved with any ministry, can you sum up what you’re trying to do in five sentences or less? What are your ultimate end goals?

If our goal is vague, then what are we really working towards? “Living a Godly life” isn’t specific enough, what does that look like?

As we are trying to figure out what to do with our youth groups, with our congregations, small groups, with the retreat we’re planning, with our very own lives do we ever stop to ask “what’s the point?”

I challenge you to think this over, and post your five sentences or less here in the comment section. Then ask the question, if these are the goals, is what we’re doing moving us in that direction? How can what we’re doing be tweaked to be more effective to help us reach our ultimate goals?

JIM baker

J.January 13, 2010 - 9:53 am

Phil. 3:10 ~ I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection…

I don’t know man… the longer I’m in ministry the more I’ve come to realize that it ALL starts ^ here!

Andy FruddJanuary 13, 2010 - 10:07 am

I want to lead my youth to Jesus! Not to me, any of my leaders or our programs. Youth that get connected to Jesus are forever changed and help Jesus change others.

corey errettJanuary 13, 2010 - 10:25 am

My desire is to lead well by loving God and loving people not for any motive that’s connected to my job, but because it’s rooted out of a passion for the Glory of God and seeing the purpose of me being created, fulfilled. That’s why i live, and how i minister should be a reflection of that, so that others will catch that contagious joy that nothing in this world compares to serving King Jesus.
…it’s difficult to chart, measure that success…

colleenJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:03 pm

As a teacher, I get caught up in the same frustration at times- so I feel ya, bro. But don’t forget that even though you’re looking at a group of people, God’s plan for each one of those students is individual- instead of what do “we want” them to take away- (which is easier) you’ve gotta ask yourself, “how can i be more open to giving these kids what they need from Jesus?” what they’ll take away will reflect their individual needs- they won’t all need the same thing. from my middle school/high school youth group, i took away a sense of belonging in the body of christ, a knowledge that jesus saved me, and a heart to encourage others. i know that there were others who took away something completely different… but we were lucky to have some really awesome youth leaders who looked to Jesus for guidance. like you!

jim bakerJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:10 pm

vague vague vague… fellow youth pastors, how come the best answer i see so far is from some one thats not even in full time ministry?

lets keep this conversation rolling

@ J – great sunday school answer, thank you. you’re gonna have to expound… is that the goal of your ministry? that your kids would know Christ and the power of his resurrection? What does that look like? And are your kids knowing those things?

@ Andy – connected to Jesus… how? Do they stay connected after high school and are out of your program?

@ Corey – are you seeing kids in your ministry live a life rooted in passion for the glory of God? Do you see that contagious joy in your kids?

@ Colleen – i’m blown away by your answer… thanks for bringing me back to the fact that it is indeed an individual thing… if we are open to giving each kid what they need from Jesus it keeps us in constant relationship with Him, going back and asking, relying on Him to show us what we need instead of doing things on our own strength. God’s convicted me recently that ministry really is about relationship, but it seems like in corporate church its real easy to get lost in looking at the group instead of the individual. Our Pastor has been reminding us that as we grow bigger we have to think smaller.

rachelJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:15 pm

Youth ministry, in my eyes, is ultimately about helping kids develop their relationship with Christ. It’s about teaching and showing them the Way, the Truth, and the Life – and making the search for that their priority – encouraging them to turn their backs on all the crap the world tries to get them to worship. Youth ministers help lay a foundation for their kids that will help sustain their relationship with Christ after they’ve left home and started their own lives. Though this all seems quite general and possibly too vague when planning on a daily, weekly, or monthly schedule what to do with your kids, keep this in mind – you need to equip these kids with tools that they can use in the future to grow closer to Christ. When you find yourself getting frustrated, remember that when seeds are sown, it ALWAYS takes time for the plants to grow.

jim bakerJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:18 pm

Rachel – not sure who you are as I know a few rachels… but yeah, lately God’s been showing me too that its a process… and I’m impatient.

Helping them lay a foundation for their relationship with Christ… i like that picture

jurkowskiJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:22 pm

jurkowski….you know….the one working in youth ministry….i just saw you literally 4 days ago….:)

jim bakerJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:25 pm

lol sorry jurkowski. :(

Robert123January 13, 2010 - 3:15 pm

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Robert123January 13, 2010 - 3:18 pm

Im not a youth pastor or teacher, just an clinical social worker, serving as an volunteer for the past 16 mos at a multi-church youth group here in Warren,PA. You pose an intersting question. Personally, from a middle-aged perspective, I see the goal to be twofold:(1) Responding to an individual youth’s needs-just by showing up and listening and (2) Modeling or showing Christ’s love -which obviously is the motivation behind (1). I guess I think it’s all about relationship-how youth pastors, adult volunteers,and parents reflect,reveal and pour out our relationship with Jesus in our relationships with teens. I also think being involved in some capacity in youth ministry presents an amazing vehicle for showing teenagers what is Christ’s unconditional love/grace-for that alone can lead youth to Christ

J.January 13, 2010 - 3:36 pm

It wasn’t meant to be a S.S. answer because I’ve found that after 8 years of Youth Ministry I’ve realized that we do a great job of overcomplicating things and feeling the need to write/read thousands of books about Youth Ministry because of it. Before I expound.. you said 5 sentences max! I kept it short on purpose… but honestly, Colleen is really close to where my heart is. Aaron and I had a good convo about this shortly after you posted. It’s a better “real life” conversation for the 3 of us. Threads overwhelm me ๐Ÿ˜‰

MikeJanuary 13, 2010 - 4:05 pm

You ask a tough question Jim and one that I think about everyday. What am I trying to do to impact the lives of the students I work with? How am I showing them the love and power of Jesus? I can get students to pass tests and do work, but is that really building a desire in them to be learners? I think that everyday it should be our job to make people see the real Jesus in the way that we live and our goal should be to help develop others who will do the same thing. I know that it sounds kind of vague and clique, but I heard someone say once that if someone’s life was a little better because of what you did in it, then we have had some success. I think that your goal with youth ministry should be to love the kids as Jesus loves them. Too many of them never experience that kind of love. Sometimes it might seem like you are being abused and taken for granted, but they will never forget that you cared and loved them. I have been working with young people for almost 20 years and I see people today who I know would not be the same if God had not moved in their lives. I count it a true privilege to have been someone that Jesus worked through to help them. So what is the goal? LOVE THEM AS JESUS LOVES THEM AND BUILD IN THEM THE ABILITY TO LOVE OTHERS LIKE THAT.
Mike Rohlin

jay baehrJanuary 13, 2010 - 6:46 pm

My SS answer is similar to others & is as follows:

Get students to engage/connect/encounter/(insert hip church word here having to do with the previous) with Christ. Doing this by providing space & time for it to happen (worship, service, bible). At the same time knowing they are going to screw the pooch many a time (like me).

looking forward to your response…rip it up Jimmy.

jim bakerJanuary 14, 2010 - 5:45 am

I talked a bit about this last night over dinner with two of our adult volunteers… they brought up an interesting point that it seems as though everything else has a way testing proficiency or adeptness… its hard because in ministry while we are teaching facts, its so much more than that. what facts however are we trying to teach and are they being learned.

@ robert – i like your two thoughts, responding to youths needs by simply being PRESENT, an adult that they can trust. And secondly modeling Christ’s love. It disheartens me though that this becomes the professional job of one youth pastor, when its the call of every parent, and every adult in the church. Maybe Dr. Dobson has it right when he’s focusing on the family.

@ J – lets get together soon man… wasn’t trying to attack you with the whole S.S answer… I just didn’t want vague answers, I’m interested to have this conversation with you.

@ Mike – side note, I’ve heard from quite a few parents, that kids went home who usually don’t talk about youth and were telling their parents about what they were learning! Thanks so much for coming and speaking.

oh man… yeah, how do we get them to want to be learners, how do we get them hungry for Jesus?

Love them as Jesus loves them… thats good, it causes me to press hard into God and ask Him his thoughts of these kids, to look past their surface and tap into what God has put inside of them and draw it out. It’s hard however to do that in 2 hours a week (if they show up every week) I see them, and seems overwhelming to do for all the kids in our group. But I guess God delights in using us for the impossible huh?

@ Jay – connecting with Christ by providing the space and time to do this… i like that. but how do we get them to take ownership of it once we’re not the ones providing the space and time anymore?

and its dang good insight to realize how much we screwed up in middle and high school and yet here we are by the grace of God representing Him to kids who aren’t far off from our situations. But my question to follow that up is… where do we draw the standard? Because it’d be easy to lower the “standard” whatever that is… and just say oh they are high schoolers… a bunch of the warren youth pastors met last week and I asked that question and I think it was Aaron that mentioned that Jesus’ sermon on the mount raised the bar real real real high on everything and that none of it can be done without Him. So i guess theres the answer, we keep the standard at where Jesus put it and let them know that they can’t do it without Him.

still thinking about my 5 sentences or less…

Rick RohlinJanuary 14, 2010 - 5:02 pm

Wow, these are great answers to a hard question. Like my brother, I have been working with teenagers a long time. I jokingly say that I have either been a teenager or ministered to them since 1983. :-)

I can sincerely say that at the core of everything I have done in youth ministry has been to help them to understand that they are loved, they are wanted (acceptance) and they are needed (valuable).

I feel those are the overriding needs that every young person is trying to have met and only Jesus provides genuine answers. So, my job in loving teenagers is to do everything I can, with every tool at my disposal, in all the power of the Holy Spirit to have them understand how Jesus sees them.

Sometimes it’s teaching the Bible, praying and other typical “ministry stuff.” But much of the time it’s smiles, hugs, watching their soccer games or a host of other seemingly insignificant things.
___
And, hey, if you don’t count my opening paragraph, I only used 5 sentences. :-)

jim bakerJanuary 15, 2010 - 4:17 am

Rick, thanks a ton for your input, what I think I’m narrowing down is that “identity creates destiny” haha one of my favorite quotes, and its our job to be showing them what God thinks of them.

I just want to maximize the efficiency of this message.

I really need to give thought to my 5 sentences… and I’ll post it as a new blog.

MikeJanuary 16, 2010 - 4:19 am

Another thought for you Jim. Teens want to do something to change the world. I have seen more active movements to bring real change from young people than from anyone. Talk to me about the Summer Institute I teach on human rights and genocide. Students want to change people’s live for the better and will be real activist for it. Christians should be the leaders in this activity.

AmazedJanuary 16, 2010 - 10:24 am

I would want every one to encounter GOD, experiencing the PRESENCE/LOVE of Jesus, POWER of Holy Spirit and Loving FEAR of God so they would never be satisfied with a life without Him. By exposing each to healing, deliverance, signs and wonders (Matt 11:4,5). Taking them where ever God’s manifest presence is. Teach by example how to experience this for themselves. Give each the opportunity to impart this to others. Never giving up until each had this experience for themselves.

jim bakerJanuary 16, 2010 - 12:10 pm

i asked Dan Mohler while taking him back to youngsville what he thought about youth and all that… he said just encourage them to get alone with Jesus when no one else is looking and thats where intimacy is built… Dan’s teaching this weekend is reawakening and refocusing me a lot its really good

@ mike – absolutely, i’d love to hear about your summer institute, and i completely agree that teens want to be involved in changing the world, they are so excited to serve at the gateway center, i love it. And yes… Christians should be at the forefront of EVERYTHING… especially human rights

@ Lois – i love when you sneak attack me at church and launch into something about my blog, it always takes me a second to register that we’re talking in real life about something thats online :)

EXPERIENCING God is CRUCIAL… in ywam we label what you’re talking about this “unsatisfaction with life without Him” as “ruined for the ordinary”

LisaJanuary 16, 2010 - 1:53 pm

mmmmmm i really like what Dan said :-)

jim bakerJanuary 17, 2010 - 5:50 am

indeed

AnonymousJanuary 18, 2010 - 10:02 am

Why don’t you ask God what he wants for your youth ministry. It’s not about what you want.

ROBERT123January 18, 2010 - 10:13 am

I believe Jim has already done so-that is obvious by his heart for Jesus and ministry-and besides, as the Bible says, “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ”

Brian & DonnaJanuary 19, 2010 - 9:31 am

Well… I’m not a youth pastor, I’m just a mom who’s lived with 5 teenagers and one rapidly growing tween. I’ve loved reading these responses… they’ve made me think a lot.
I just walked into Nathan’s room and happened to see the PCB elbow I gave him years ago sitting on top of his dresser. Remember it, Jim? It has written on the side of it, “LIONWEIGHT… NATE” in big, black letters. The purpose of it back then was to remind you guys that your band, your music, was a conduit through which God could flow. You were all young and passionate… you’ve grown up in many ways since then but I still love your passion.
As I sit here contemplating this hunk of pipe, I’m realizing how gunked-up my own conduit has become. All the things that I’ve considered to be so important for my kids, like correct teaching, discipline, foundational principles for living… none of it matters much if I speak the name of Jesus with my mouth but don’t love them with His heart. If they don’t feel loved and valued for who they are, words fall on deaf ears. And it’s virtually impossible to love them with His heart if I’m not letting Him fill me up first. There’s power in the love of Jesus that I can’t work up or make up in my own humanity.
I think too often I look at my kids in some lump sum, kind of like a project, instead of prayerfully considering them as individuals with very different personalities, strengths, and needs. I spend too much time talking to them and not enough time talking with God about them. If my kids and their friends are typical, then our youth groups are filled with lonely, confused teenagers who desperately need to feel valued. Everybody has an agenda for their lives when what they really want is relationship that’s real. Love that is genuine and has purpose. They’ve heard all the hype, now they’re looking for what can really be trusted. If we as parents and adults can be conduits for love that is beyond ourselves, always pointing the way to Jesus…and if we can help them to become conduits themselves without constantly analyzing and judging… then I believe the rest will fall into place. We strive way too much to achieve what only God can control. Goals are good and certainly necessary, but let’s not get the cart before the horse. And let’s not presume that God works on our timetable.
I guess I’ve rambled enough for one sitting… I need to go practice what I preach =)

jim bakerJanuary 19, 2010 - 5:24 pm

Donna,

Parents are probably who I should be talking to get solid recon about teens. It has been fun seeing everyones responses.

I DO remember the PVC elbow you gave us, to “stay connected” is what you told us when we were pursuing after the rock and roll. Its funny to me that I was the one that really pushed for that band and now I’m the only one not doing anything with music. Weird how that works. Good times though nonetheless… I talked with Kathy Larson today on facebook chat today too… Dave is on tour in LA right now. All side notes sorry

“IF they don’t feel loved and valued for who they are, words fall on deaf ears.” Thats GOOD.

And so is… “its virtually impossible to love them with His heart if I’m not letting Him fill me up first.”

and “I spend too much time talking to them and not enough talking with God about them.”

thanks for sharing your thoughts they make me think, and challenge and bless me.

01.12.10 – truth

taken with the 5dm2

Last night at our youth group we talked about truth.

Some of the students preformed a skit where the main character was trying to figure out what 2+2 was. As she asked people this question, people told her different answers based on how it felt, or gave a convincing argument simply by how loud they spoke, we even had a news caster interviewing a “math expert” give us a different answer from anyone else.

Mike Rohlin (who introduced himself as the older, smarter, better looking brother of our pastor Rick Rohlin) came and spoke on Media Literacy.

He challenged our students to dig a little deeper, and ask some critical questions. Examples like what is the motivation of this news channel? If they are simply just trying to provide information then why are there ten different news stations? If its about viewers, ratings and money then how does that effect how they will tell the story?

The highlight of the evening might have been when Mike Rohlin sang along to Party in the USA by Miley Cyrus which we were analyzing for truth.

“Why do we believe that the bible is true?” I asked our group of 6th through 12th graders. The room was silent. I smiled and assured them in two weeks we’d be learning why from Tim Smart one of our church elders.

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” – John 8:32

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” – Mark 12:30

JIM baker

total side note check out Perry Noble’s latest blog “What if the Pharisees Twittered”

01.11.10 – remain

on a walk with the 5dm2

REMAIN – verb
continue to exist, esp. after other similar or related people or things have ceased to exist

Saturday the 9th about twenty of us twenty-somethings gathered for two hours in the PF cafe for some musical worship led from an electric guitar. The sermon time seemed more like an honest conversation between Corey Errett who was “preaching’ and us, the congregation.

I would guess that the biggest age demograph of people leaving the church would be between 18 and 30. Why?

Is it that church isn’t relevant or is it that authentic community is hard and requires effort from us twenty somethings. “Real life” has set in, and everyones schedule is a lot busier than it was in college when community came easy.

It’s our time to be the initiators, the decision makers, the influencers. The very reason you probably don’t come to church is the very thing you need to be respectfully and honorably talking to your church leadership about and bringing change.

Come REMAIN with us Saturday Jan 24 2010 in the PF Cafe. Feel free to ask hard questions, we don’t promise any answers though. Be ready to take initiative and responsibility for your faith, we aren’t going to blame anyone else anymore. Lets be the change we want to see in the church.

JIM baker

JStanfordJanuary 11, 2010 - 10:37 am

apparently you have “0,000,000” comments. Zero million comments?

Great thoughts! We can either be the change we want to see and have the courage and drive to see it happen…or we can take the easy route and shy away from it. Let’s listen to God earnestly and chase down in faith what we believe He wants us to do!

jim bakerJanuary 11, 2010 - 11:41 am

zero million :)

thanks for chasing it down man

jim baker

LisaJanuary 11, 2010 - 6:16 pm

good stuff, Jim. I learned a lot in the past couple weeks and one of those things was about being that change in the church. I was a little bit hurt, but I think God really used it to show me that I need to step out and be there for others, which I’m actually really enjoying doing, by the way.

jim bakerJanuary 11, 2010 - 6:18 pm

yes and amen. God uses ALL things together for the good of those who love Him!

J.January 13, 2010 - 10:05 am

WoW… did a 20something just say that many of his “kind” need to work at community!?!? I LOVE YOU MAN! Welcome to the downfalls of “spoonfed and handheld” Christian nation. We’re given and given and given programs and scheduled times in controlled environments that fit nicely into our pseudo scheduled lives (middle school – college) and then BOOM… jobs, rent, marriage, whatever… No longer do we have time… no no, make time! Well, I’m not the demo but my heart aches for genuine Christ driven fellowship among ya’ll. It’s pretty niche’ to say “be change agents” but I also see that you’re challenging us to consider that this demo isn’t so much leaving the church… as is they simply aren’t making it a priority to be there either! Christ compels me into fellowship. The whole 90’s marketed ways for churches to “attract” people into fellowship… Oh, good coffee works though so that was something totally redeemable from 90’s church marketing strategies!!! Sorry for the word vomit… hope a bit of it made sense!?!?

jim bakerJanuary 13, 2010 - 12:01 pm

J – one of the best word vomits I’ve seen in a long time. :)

so how as youth pastors NOW do we not spoon feed and hand hold our youth?

J.January 13, 2010 - 3:58 pm

Thanks bro’… I think in reading this you’ll better understand my lack of vomit in your other post I commented on. Christ compels… Christ compels… Christ compels… I can’t NOT fellowship with other believers and I hunger for that. You keep asking the “How?” question and I really truly honestly and deeply believe that in always keeping Jesus at the core of whatever it is we do… He become responsible for stirring the desire and passion in each of us. No program created that for me… the Spirit did! Granted, I prioritized being in environments and around that are Spirit filled!

jim bakerJanuary 13, 2010 - 5:39 pm

good stuff J…